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| Pondy PRO Wed 16th Jul 2008 19:14
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So, imagine you just took delivery of the 50Mp ego enhancement, and now.. well, you're under endowed daddio...
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/p65-announced.shtml
....And at £21,000 an absolute bargain!
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| fourdeadpresidents Wed 16th Jul 2008 19:31
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I don't even think my computer can handle that...
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| LisaSam67 PRO Wed 16th Jul 2008 19:45
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The second you buy something it is outdated it seems anymore!
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| virginiabrill Wed 16th Jul 2008 19:52
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Originally posted by LisaSam67:
The second you buy something it is outdated it seems anymore!
So than give that useless out-dated D300 to me!
I'll give ya some jars of air...
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| fourdeadpresidents Wed 16th Jul 2008 19:54
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Oh wow... I just caught something...
Pondy said pwned!!!
hehehehehehehe
Come play Counter Strike with me and Virginia and get embarrassed...
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| Pondy PRO Wed 16th Jul 2008 19:56
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Originally posted by fourdeadpresidents:
Pondy said pwned!!!
Ha! And put there totally for your benefit..
I can't play computer games, I have the hand eye coordination of a giraffe.
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| virginiabrill Wed 16th Jul 2008 19:57
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Originally posted by Pondy:
I can't play computer games, I have the hand eye coordination of a giraffe.
Hey! I have seen some giraffes with EXCELLENT hand (hoove) eye coordination! ;-)
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| Pondy PRO Wed 16th Jul 2008 19:59
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Originally posted by virginiabrill:
Hey! I have seen some giraffes with EXCELLENT hand (hoove) eye coordination! ;-)
Where are the photos Mrs Presidents. ;)
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| fourdeadpresidents Wed 16th Jul 2008 20:03
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Originally posted by Pondy:
Where are the photos Mrs Presidents. ;)
I have them in my archive somewhere...
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| Pondy PRO Wed 16th Jul 2008 20:11
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Originally posted by fourdeadpresidents:
I have them in my archive somewhere...
Giraffes playing Counter Strike?? This I have to see...
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| virginiabrill Wed 16th Jul 2008 20:24
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Originally posted by Pondy:
Giraffes playing Counter Strike?? This I have to see...
Haha...Who said they played CS?? They just have excellent hand eye coordination! ;-)
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| Pondy PRO Wed 16th Jul 2008 20:36
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Originally posted by virginiabrill:
Who said they played CS?? They just have excellent hand eye coordination! ;-)
Ok, what are they doing?? Juggling? target shooting? archery? Come on.. evidence! :)
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| LisaSam67 PRO Wed 16th Jul 2008 20:45
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Omg you guys are cracking me up! And jamie I can't believe you missed that!
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| DavidNewland PRO Thu 17th Jul 2008 23:29
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" New state-of-the-art technology doesn't come cheap. The P65+ digital back starts at US $39,990 and can also be had with a Phase One camera system starting at $41,990. "
Unless I missed my mark, one doesnt work without the other? Since the " digital back " is not a camera ?
If that's the case then that clocks it up to the ballpark of $81,980 ( £41,059 ) which makes the 50mp hasselblad a much better deal at a paltry $46,000 ( £23,039 )
Neither of which seem to come with a lense / flash / extra's. Just the bare-bones body.
As someone who just re-sized and printed out a poster at a tiny 1024x768 resolution for my niece which looked fantastic even when looking at close as the human eye can see, you have to wonder what the practical application of something so big would be - unless of course you want to wallpaper the moon ;)
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| Jagged PRO Thu 17th Jul 2008 23:35
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Originally posted by DavidNewland:
As someone who just re-sized and printed out a poster at a tiny 1024x768 resolution for my niece which looked fantastic even when looking at close as the human eye can see, you have to wonder what the practical application of something so big would be - unless of course you want to wallpaper the moon ;)
As I keep telling you it's for commercial print. An entirely different thing to continuous tone printing.
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| DavidNewland PRO Thu 17th Jul 2008 23:43
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lol - Hey Jagged *tips hat*
I thought you'd pop up on this thread ;)
From the poster on my nieces wall, yes under a microscope and under lab conditions am sure you could pick holes in it BUT to the human eye it looks as good as any poster that size that I've seen anywhere printed by anything ! ( And I'm talking nose against the wall ! )
With all due respect on my turf you could listen to a high quality mp3 and tell me in your ears it sounds no different to any cd / blu-ray / vinyl / dat / cassette version you've heard of it where as when pulled into sound editing software for the people who do it for a living could show you in detail just how much information is actually missing so I can see where you're coming from.
In conclusion I guess not everyone looks ( or listens ) for the same qualities in a finished product that people like yourself and me pick up on working in a " lab condition " environment.
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| DavidNewland PRO Thu 17th Jul 2008 23:59
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Thinking about it ( I know I know - shut up Dave !!! )
So many " Commercial " photo's for magazines and the like are taken with prosumer digital SLR's.
Football games, Fashion runways, and of course in the world of journalism and tabloid photography a majority of these are at an even lower level than prosumer DSLR's.
In newspapers you'll often see photo's taken with " everyday " camera's and in some cases even cellphones.
I've seen endless rows of Nikon and Canon lenses ( respectively ) with their lenses mounted on tripods at numerous events from fashion shoots, extreme sports ( skateboarding / snowboarding etc etc ), olympic events, commercial modelling, and photo's for every kind of specialist hobby magazine you can imagine.
I've seen Hasselblads, yes - but seldom in the numbers I've seen the more affordable and in this case - much lower megapixel count camera's.
At a new years eve party a while back I met another photographer who commercially takes photo's of cars for posters and promotions using the Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II ( 16.7mp ) which compared to 39, 50 and now 60mp you'd think would be yapping at the ankles and obselete.
This conversation could go into ever decreasing circles so I'll stop here - I dont mean any disrespect Jagged. I dont work in printing and appreciate how someone who hasnt working in the industry for as long as you have could come across as a pain in the a$$ with an opinion.
My only remaining question would be : 39, 50, 60.. How much would "realistically" be needed ? As the price and the mp count is increasing, but even back in the day before the 1st ever digital camera I was looking at huge posters all over London that looked nothing short of amazing !
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| Jagged PRO Fri 18th Jul 2008 00:35
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I'll have to refer you back to the last thread on the subject for the science as you seem to have missed the explanation there.
Printing presses can not print continuous tone, only solid colour. Therefore photos have to be converted to solid dots of varying size or "half tones". This requires originals of very high resolutions. An easy 50 Mpixels to do a large calendar.
It's not even remotely comparable to printing a photo on an inkjet printer.
Thats why they make these things.
That Canon 1Ds will be obsolete once the higher resolution sensors become more affordable, just you wait and see.
I remember when Nikon's first digital SLRs appeared. At 10 grand a pop professionals were snapping them up even though they were hopeless for large images.
Somehow when new technologies appear they get adopted even though they are not as high quality as the previous technology (CDs spring to mind here). It's all about convenience and if all the pros are only providing 5 megapixel images, we in the print trade have to spend hours in Photoshop making them look as sharp as possible and then print them anyway. It doesn't take long before Joe Public convinces himself they look just fine and completely forgets how good pictures used to look.
As for how high a pixel count is necessary, well as high as possible. More pixels means better crop opportunities. But quite honestly I can't see a commercial need for more than 100 Mpixels. However I suspect there would be a wealth of scientific uses.
Those pre digital large posters were probably shot on large format film. Similar in quality to the high pixel count sensors being discussed here. Although if you are referring to billboard posters it is worth remembering that due to them being viewed at a distance they are printed at much lower screen rulings (see that last thread) than magazines etc.
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